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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 7, 2007 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: old schoolers

I need help from the resident "old schoolers" as described in an earlier e mail to give me a sweet show. I know the guys who will respond and they are very knowledgeable about the early era. For me, my dead knowledge/interest starts with 73/74. Not that I don't dabble in earlier periods I'm just not that comfortable and maybe it's a pig thing. So I ask..... give me a 1971 to alter my mind this evening.

Thanks for the help in advance

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Poster: BlueMtnMan Date: Oct 7, 2007 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Any of the 2/18-24 Port Chester shows are tasty, but I lean to the show on the 24th. Also 4-29 will certainly satisfy.
If you're looking for some Keith in the mix try 11-7 or 12-7.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 7, 2007 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Thanks for my homework for the week. I'll check all of these out at work.

good night to all

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Poster: Tommy Gunn Date: Oct 7, 2007 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

I might not be the man you had in mind but i do have a love for the early years, and this show rocks the casbah. The sound quality is not outstanding especially compared to 73/74, but the show surely is.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-03-18.sbd.yerys.1663.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: BtDt Date: Oct 8, 2007 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

My first show. Listen to Pig on organ during TOO > Wharf Rat. Then the NFA > GDTRFB > Caution > Feedback that blew my mind & put me on the bus for the next 36 years & counting.

Enjoy this show from so long ago. Peace.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 7, 2007 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Hey Tommy--with luck, those disks arrive tomorrow! Let me know they arrive safe and sound...I always worry about that crap.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 7, 2007 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Grate Dark Star > Wharf Rat (1st performance) > Dark Star > Me and My Uncle on 2-18-71 that may remind you of 74. 4-29 is a grate show but the archive version is an aud that I haven't listened to.

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Oct 7, 2007 7:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

I'm not a big fan of 71 (I find it gets boring at times unless a Dark Star is in the mix), but I will say that in addition to the much loved 4/29, I also enjoy 8/6/71. Excellent show start to finish.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 10, 2007 7:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Ladies and Gentlemen The Grateful Dead is a good one... it has Dark Star, and I think a Beat It On Down The Line with Duane Allmen or somebody like that on blazing slide guitar.

Good Hard to Handle, strong Alligator, OK St. Stephen...



This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2007-10-11 02:23:54

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 7, 2007 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

I'll second that. Agree on the "okay" St St. 71 is a transitional year. I usually say I'm 68-70, but like a lot of the shows, and there are a lot, from 71. Just haven't made the move into 72-73, so loved by so many around here. My loss.

In any case, this is a great little (well, okay, jam packed four disk compilation) from April--well worth the purchase price.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 8, 2007 1:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers



flash back, to Fall '71 when the 2nd live "Grateful Dead" lp (aka)Skullfuck was getting more airplay than Live Dead, Workingman's Dead and American Beauty did in 1970-
FM DJs in Boulder Colorado were playing whole sides non-stop...

It was a phenomenon, the birth of the Dead head scene that danced to it's own beat.

The precise moment it came into existance could probably be bookmarked by the August 6, '71 Hollywood Palladium show where the audience goes nuts during whole songs.

Welcome true believers.
Freaks were no longer isolated... they were now and forever more on the bus...
while the rest of the world, and music scene...were on the outside looking in, never quite getting why the Dead heads were so deadicated to what sounded like pretty much just good time country blues with endless jazz-influenced improvisation that was neither here nor there.

What was it?

At least in '71 there were a few last vestiges of basic song structure, catchy music standards with beginnings and endings not too far apart from each other.

By 1972, the boundries that defined what the Dead were doing would begin to blur and melt away again,
as the content of Workingman's Americana became less readily accessible than ever in much of their sets.


Grateful Dead Live at Fox Theatre on 1971-03-18


Grateful Dead Live at Capitol Theater on 1971-02-18


Grateful Dead: 1971-02-19


Grateful Dead: 1971-12-14


Grateful Dead: 1971-08-06


Grateful Dead: 1971-08-05




This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2007-10-08 08:06:22

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 11, 2007 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Way to Go - old schoolers

Hey Lobster12 thanks for initiating this one

Thanks Old Schoolers for all the good 71 info!!!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 7, 2007 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Truckin'-> Drums-> The Other One-> Me & My Uncle-> The Other One-> Wharf Rat

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-14.sbd.miller.23568.sbeok.shnf

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2007-10-08 01:51:34

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 7, 2007 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

This is why I want to sample them all. Based on setlist alone, Cliff's looks like the more "bland" setlist (for lack of a better term). Then you look at the reviews and it's money. Thanks for the heads up. If i were fishin'this might not be one I jumped at first so I appreciate the recs.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 7, 2007 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Here are two--much talked about already, but for a second or third endorsement if you like: either 8-6-71 or 11-7-71. Hollywood or Harding. Take your pick. Nice "singles" and nice, new and different jam styles (ie, transitioning from 68-70 style jams to those of 72-73). Trucking/OOne/MMunc jams rather than the old traditionals...

Enjoy.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Oct 8, 2007 5:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

71 mind altering show?

04-26
http://web1.nugs.net/attics/frames.asp?page=/vault/show.asp&artist=1&show=316&cmd=shows
the set list here is incorrect

the correct one
http://www.setlists.net/?search=true&venue=&city=&state=&month=4&day=26&year=71&songs=&submit=Search

highlights:
absolutely fantastic, condensed 13 min 1st set dark star
2nd set opener - sugar magnolia w/ duane allman
followed by it hurts me too, again w/ duane and it is the best version of the song i´ve heard so far. pig´s singing is top form, jerry > pig (harp) > duane interplay is outta this world, simply grate

and get a copy skullfuck, as a top priority

peace

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 8, 2007 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Many of the great ones have been mentioned. Only thing I would add regarding mentioned shows is that Duane Allman joins the boys on stage during the 4/26/71 show from Sugar Mags on.

Here are some others not mentioned:

8/26/71 just before Pig takes his break, last H2H.

10/19/71. First Keith show and many first time songs (Jack Straw, Tenn Jed, Comes a Time). Show seems to have been pulled from here.

11/15/71 night after the show Cliff suggested. Also very nice. Here are Cliff's reviews of the 3 Texas shows:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=121908

12/5/71 - Great Comes a time. Recommended to me by Cliff as well.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 8, 2007 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1971 recommendations

I think the fall of '71 has the most "mind-altering" shows of the year, aside from all the new songs.

This show has a rare first-set Dark Star, but the real treat is the Not Fade Away, with the China Cat jam they did frequently that fall; also, the end instrumental of Goin' Down the Road was extended much longer in '71 than in later years.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-15.sbd.cotsman.12438.sbeok.shnf

Another Dark Star, and the only Muddy Water:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-05.prefm.miller.3391.sbeok.shnf

Great Dark Star & Lovelight at this show:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-15.sbd.cotsman.12615.sbeok.shnf

All of the Other Ones from this tour are really good! Keith makes outstanding contributions in this period.
Try some of these:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-01.set2-sbd.lai.3898.sbefail.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-10.sbd.yerys.1311.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-14.sbd.deibert.12763.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-12.sbd.clugston.4759.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-14.sbd.miller.23568.sbeok.shnf

By the way, CPW, if you're looking at the "birth of the Deadhead scene" I think it's earlier than '71....have you heard the 3-21-70 Port Chester shows? The audience is absolutely rabid.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1971 recommendations

thx LIA,
i bookmarked the 3-21-70 show 2 years ago but forgot about it.

Listening to it right now!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 7, 2007 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

If you're gonna explore 4/29 be sure to listen to the NRPS set as well. You don't want one without the other.

http://www.archive.org/details/nrps1971-04-29.shnf
(not available for streaming)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-04-29.weinberg.warner.26568.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: Jim Messina Date: Oct 7, 2007 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: old schoolers

Good call I would stick with the entire run though.

The 25th to the 29th are just incredible. Each night has a special guest sitting in at some point. A few times that run Duane sits in then next the Beach Boys and then ol' Tom Constanten comes back and sits in on the 28th.

The Beach Boy night is my favorite. Next time listen to Pig sing Searchin' absolutely incredible, he hits every note resoundingly! Plus him leading the gang for Okie from Muskogie is awesome.